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MBA vs. MSc. Business administration

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MBA vs. MSc. Business administration

Does anyone here have any idea how an MBA is classified in relation to an MA / Msc. / Mcom in business administration? Actually, a graduate with a non-MBA Master's has a much broader knowledge of business administration, doesn't he?

Let's say one has an MBA from University X and another has an MSc in Business Administration from the same institution. Is the MBA still better qualified or worse in the eyes of the HR manager?

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"In the eyes of HR" - what does that mean?

Your question is far too indistinguishable to answer with an unequivocal yes or no. You can do an MBA at the FH Hintertupfingen or at Harvard / Wharton etc. - there are worlds in between and both have the same name. So don't let any abbreviations turn your head.
In this respect, an MBA will never necessarily be "viewed better" than an MSc Business Administration or vice versa!

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From today's perspective, the MBA will still be preferred (by name), but that will soon change when the structure of the degrees is correct again, i.e. from 2010.

Some HR managers don't even know the bachelor's degree, if you can now get them with an MSc ...

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Sure, because the reputation of the university plays a role, that's how I chose the example. Assuming that one and the same institution, be it Harvard, Melbourne or Hinterdupfing, offers two business administration courses, an MSc and an MBA, which is more respected? The reputation is reduced in the example, so the question was already differentiated.

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However, the reputation can also fluctuate within a university.
And something else- very subjective, I will admit- I think with the title MBA you place yourself on a comparable level, because you are more established and well-known. e.g. I would prefer MSc from Hintertupfingen to MBA from Hintertupfingen, whereas MBA from Stanford should be "worth" more than MSc from Standford.

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In any case, the "Master of Business Administration" is a master like any other. With your Stanford example, I agree with you.
You also have to consider that there are completely different students in an MBA program than in an MSc. Sensible MBA programs require> 3 years of professional experience, which of course means that the A-level graduates have much better cards than the "newcomers" who do their master's right after their bachelor's degree because of their work experience. I also read again and again that "networking" is an important factor in the MBA program, which is of course not necessarily attractive in Hinterdupfingen.

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It's not that easy to compare. An MSc is a "simple" postgraduate degree and an MBA is actually a management training course. The question has to be answered more depending on the situation. Directly after the Bachelor's degree, only an MSc makes sense, since you cannot get into sensible programs without professional experience anyway. Once you have been on the trigger for 3-5 years, the MBA probably makes more sense.

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Exactly. Immediately after graduation: MSc. With 2-3 years of professional experience: MBA. An MBA only makes sense if it really comes from a top 20 university (none of them are in Germany, just for information).

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EBS is Top 10 !!!!!!!

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Hahaha. He doesn't mean any provincial MBAs from would-be universities, but internationally competitive degrees. It also helps to free yourself from your German glasses and look around the world - then you will find that NO German university is top 100. This is very hard to accept, but unfortunately the reality.

I am of the opinion that it doesn't have to be top20, but definitely top50, maybe even top100 (if the graduates were able to increase their salary to an average of $ 75-100k, that's not to be despised), but to give you an idea give what is meant by top20 (FT):

University of Pennsylvania: Wharton
Harvard Business School
Stanford University GSB
Columbia Business School
London Business School
University of Chicago GSB
New York University: Stern
Dartmouth College: Tuck
Insead
WITH: Sloan
Yale School of Management
Instituto de Empresa
Iese business school
IMD
University of Michigan: Ross
UC Berkeley: Haas
Northwestern University: Kellogg
York University: Schulich
UCLA: Anderson
University of Oxford: Said

EBS knows no sow and none of the real ambitions would prefer one of the mentioned BS! Welcome to reality.

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Can only support the previous posting. I think the EBS screamer is a faker. The boys (oh yes, there should be a few girls too) know that their university may have a certain reputation nationally in banking and consulting, but internationally it is like a grain of sand.

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Don't forget Melbourne. Is Top 19 on Times.
The best German university is somewhere between 40 and 50.

But: Rankings shouldn't be overestimated either.

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Melbourne is good but definitely not top20 !!! FT and BW have the most prestigious and credible rankings on an international level - Melbourne is 69th in FT, not in the top 100 in BW ...

And again - every great German university is light years away from this standard. A ranking in which a German university that is smoking at the subsistence level is suddenly ahead of UCLA, Duke or Cambridge is simply not credible - especially since it is not about the chances on the German but on the international job market! But of course every university looks for the (no matter how dubious) ranking in which it is best.

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Sorry, but the EBS doesn't offer an MBA program at the moment ... So the Schreier is a pure faker.
It is a mystery to me why the German offers are being put down here with unbelievable pleasure. WHU already has a very competitive MBA (and the Exec. MBA is also one of the world's top 20), St. Gallen too, and ebs will soon follow suit (although you have to wait and see what the program looks like).
I definitely don't know why the requirements for an internationally respected MBA at e.g. WHU should be worse than at IESE or IMD ...

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But you are also all Schnackers!
As if only an MBA at a top university would be worthwhile.

As a business administration graduate, you have lost nothing in a top MBA program!

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The same goes for the letter H in the word "lost" ;-)

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As if only an MBA at a top university would be worthwhile.
But that's the way it is.

As a business administration graduate, you haven't lost anything in a top MBA program!
In the programs, around 50% are economists.

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The FT ranking is definitely not the most credible. The methodology is very controversial. On the one hand, the experts from the USA and GB, for the most part, ask, it is already clear who is pulling off the line. On the other hand, the measure of the supervisor ratio is completely wrong - who is the supervisor and how do you measure that? Every single event over 5 years evaluates who may be the supervisor (and those in the background sometimes not counted) and then averaged - I don't think you would have to sell the FT a few euros more quickly ;-)
The same applies to the other indicators. In the end you will always keep the usual suspects up, which is nonsense, because as you can see other universities are cited much more often overall, just not from the measly selection of journals.

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The same applies to the other indicators. In the end you will always keep the usual suspects up, which is nonsense, because as you can see other universities are cited much more often (!) Just not from the measly selection of journals.

Right, your reasoning is much more conclusive ...
Spade!

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So the two most popular rankings internationally are the Times Ranking and one from Shanghai. In the TImes ranking, Melbourne is definitely in 19th place (overall university index). Is also on their homepage

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However, as you say yourself, these are ratings that rank the entire university, whereas BW, FT and Newsweek only rank business schools. To be honest, nobody cares how good the university is in chemistry or physics when you do your MBA there - then I don't care which university won which Nobel Prize 50 years ago (which is, for example, considered in the Chinese ranking).

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Right. In terms of financing, Melbourne is even better off than the overall index. However, this is not an MBA program.
Do you have any idea how Auckland is doing? I would like to go to Australia or New Zealand for a Master of Commerce in Finance.

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The FT ranking is really crap. Or what do you think why an elite university like Harvard draws from it? The pseudo-business schools cheerfully shit about the starting salaries of MBA students and like to distort the numbers. Was proven in a random sample. A serious university doesn't have to face child shit like that.

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then why do so many German universities have to be included in the FT ranking?

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