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of Michl on Tue Oct 14, 2014, 2:14 pm

Yes dear ones all,

now I want to get rid of a few thoughts again. Many have probably read it and noticed that we are back to DE after a good 6.5 wonderful years in Adelaide SA. That was in April of this year and I have to say, well, it's not that bad. Actually, everything is back to the way it was when we emigrated to Adelaide in June 2007. We have our jobs here in DE, live in the same place and have already found a large apartment that we are currently renting. Everything except for a small change is like it used to be !! You want to know what it is, it was clear you could now say .... who comes up with it? We tell you: the friends are gone. Those who have been moaning over the years, "Oh, we miss you so much ... come back" just get away ....... Well, that it would no longer be the same as it used to be, we thought that, but that it would degenerate like this, we would not have dreamed of it. It's actually not a big thing, we live with it and make new friends, strangely white it's easier here than in YOU! In spite of all of this, it's really sad.
Our house in Down Under that we actually wanted to sell is now rented and the rent covers the current expenses. Couldn't be better.
Everything still feels pretty new and beautiful. Now and then you wonder whether it was the right thing to do, load the containers and return them to Germany with their belongings.
Financially, it wasn't the smartest decision, but let's just leave that aside. My wife is absolutely happy here, it is clear to her that you made the right decision. Our children are also changed, they immediately made friends in the neighborhood, great children jump around here and of course the nourishment to grandma, makes my children look happier. They still have a hard time at school, but they get better from week to week.
Well, if you ask me, even if everything is beautiful and we lack nothing, I would jump on the plane again tomorrow and go back to my little house.
I think that's my problem too. I can't let go, I don't want to part with my house that we had arranged so nicely.
As it looks at the moment, we will stay here until April 2015 and then have to decide whether the house in DU should be sold or whether we may come back. We shall see
Greetings from everyone

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Re: We're back

of Rusty on Tue Oct 14, 2014, 4:34 pm

Hi Michl,

quite interesting, the return report. Every immigrant has probably toyed with such thoughts at some point. Since I purposely do not use the word homecoming, I believe that despite everything you haven't quite found it yet.
It is quite normal with friends, in these years you have inevitably changed, but they have not. You always have to make new contacts and friendships, because the similarities as they used to be are often no longer there.
You will certainly still have a re-entry visa and all options are open to you.

Good luck.

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Re: We're back

of guest on Wed Oct 15, 2014, 7:52 am

So for me it would be interesting and important to find out what reasons spoke for the return to D - and especially WHERE you live now ...

True friends would never prevent you from doing it or try to make your dream come true, but support you in making it come true. A friend who says to me "Oh, I miss you so much, I miss you - come back" has been deleted from my list of friends at that very moment

Re: We're back

of Michl on Thu Oct 16, 2014, 4:44 pm

I don't want to blame it on my friends either. the decision to come back was absolutely our own and at the moment it still feels good. it has all advantages and disadvantages. many small reasons, e.g. my mother worries me, she never gave me the feeling that we should come, always supported us with our plans. and yet I need to be there for you.
medicare was a thorn in my eye, if you are healthy, you can live well in YOU. but if a few wewechen around with you you have your problems.
everything was quite expensive there, although we were financially good, we found some things to be quite excessive. Everyone tries to pull the other over the table, of course you don't have that in DE either.
We were often in our garden and just cried because we were just missing certain things. HEIMWEH, that's what I like to call it ...
a lot of things. now we are here and we are missing some things that we do not have here. that is the price you pay if you don't know where you belong.
We live in Baden Würtemberg at the foot of the Alb.

Rusty- We both have passports, so everything is open to us and we still have the house. I think we'll sell that soon.
or it turns out completely different and we pack again and come back. at the moment everything is still open. in april we will know more.

Kind regards
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Re: We're back

of guest on Fri Oct 17, 2014, 1:18 pm

Hello michi,

I can (almost) understand that - to live in the beautiful Badnerland ... the second most beautiful "country" in the world

It may well be that in the Swabian / Baden rural areas the world is (still) reasonably okay - but unfortunately not in the cities and the "bacon belts" ... but you will notice that for yourself soon enough.

I wish you all the luck, especially that you arrive here and feel good

Re: We're back

of Rusty on Fri Oct 17, 2014, 3:27 pm

Hi Michl,

in this regard and in other ways it is very advantageous to have both passports.

I disagree with Medicare when I see what voluntary health insurance costs in Germany.
Medibank private covers a lot.
I was also in the hospital for a week during a vacation in Germany in August (motorcycle accident) and was able to compare the two systems up close. I had an operation at the beginning of the year and felt better cared for here than in Germany.
Maybe the Swabians are more attached to their homeland than other tribes, maybe when the weather sets in in November the homesickness turns in the other direction. Wait a year for now.
Then let me hear something from you again, for some more interesting than the usual travel reports and the related and recurring questions.

Hello Rusty
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Re: We're back

of Zoppo on Sat Oct 18, 2014, 00:58

The first years in Australia (Adelaide) were not easy for us either.
But we have now been to Germany (Pforzheim) for 1 month and I have to say we didn't like it anymore.
It was nice to meet relatives and friends, but no matter where we were, we were always envied.
Probably out of ignorance about Australia, but the elbows in Germany have also gotten tougher and some of the friends who were in good shape years ago are now unemployed, are about to be, or have other problems.
For many, there is still a lot of month left at the end of the money.
Life in Germany didn't get any easier either.
What bothered us the most was the weather in July-August.
The oppressive humid heat with every 3 days of rain made us very busy.
I thought back to a summer vacation in southern France, where it took me 2 weeks to get used to the climate again.
Where Germany is clearly ahead of the game are the beer gardens and taverns, which I now miss.

Back to Pforzheim?
Definitely no, if at best in the Rhine valley, but then on the French side.
The harassment from the red tape is not that great.
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Re: We're back

of guest on Sat Oct 18, 2014, 2:30 p.m.


Baden-Baden, Kehl, Achern, Rheinstetten, Lörrach, Durmersheim, Bad Bergzabern or the area between Wissembourg via Strasbourg to Mulhouse, in short the whole of Alsace ... such a great area and my old home, almost as beautiful as Victoria

@Rusty: I also think that MediCare privately covered already covers a lot and that at a price comparable to D. I currently pay around 500 euros (~ 700 $) of statutory health insurance every month of my wages in Germany without any special curiosities, but I still have to pay a lot on top for everything ... Dentist visit: son teeth cleaning 140 euros, daughter cleaning fixed braces 189 euros , Teeth cleaning with me including removing tartar 250 euros, repairing crowns, fillings 490 euros, removing braces from my daughter 467 euros. Massage for me because of shoulder 95 euros non-refundable costs, shock wave therapy 5 sessions, costs per session 51 euros, for what am I actually paying into the insurance ??? If I insure Healthcare privately as a family insurance, I get a lot more for $ 600 a month ... and I'm still below what I pay here ...

Voltaren 60g € 9.90 (Chemist Warehouse $ 11.69), Aspirin € 13.99 (CW $ 2.90), Ibuprofen € 4.30 (Aldi $ 1.68), Listerine mouthwash € 3.59 500ml (CW $ 9.99 for 1000 ml) ... etc ... the list could go on and on ...

Where was that better and cheaper ???

Ok an argument for D: we (my kids and I) had new glasses made - at Apollo we used the "take 3 pay 1" offer and for 6 new glasses (2 per person) a total of just under € 700 (instead of 1,200 €) - and these are not cheap frames with window glass, but RayBan, D&G, Rodenstock ...

Health / illness costs

of guest on Tue Oct 21, 2014, 11:51 am

I have been in DU for 3.5 years and have so far deliberately avoided going to the doctor. Live in rural NSW (20,000 residents, a university), and the local GP cartel doesn't even think of looking at you for less than $ 70 cash. In addition, there are waiting lists for a visit to the GP, sometimes of several months. You pay for medication entirely yourself until you hit the "Savety Net" of $ 2000. Waiting times for operations in public hospitals are sometimes crazy, and shortening them with additional private insurance is really expensive. When I look at what Medibank covers, you can quickly see why economists regularly talk about "market failure" when it comes to private health insurance companies. Small example (@NeroCorleone): My "Lifetime limit" for Orthodontics, i.e. everything that has to do with the braces of your youngest, is $ 2400, in words two thousand four hundred dollars, but I can then go to "Natural Therapy" for $ 300 a year walk. Unfortunately I haven't found a dentist who offers both. For root canals, the annual limit is $ 1000. The only stupid thing is that a root canal treatment already costs $ 1600. And if my eyes go bad, my annual limit is $ 225. Of course, these are all only limits for the total subsidies, because, for example, you pay for 60% of the dental treatment yourself anyway.

Regarding the waiting times for important OPs in the public system, I think there are reasons why half of Scandinavia comes to DE to have an operation / repair.

With regard to the dentist costs, I actually had the chance to make a direct comparison. On my last visit to DE I had a root inflammation, gigantic cheek, 7 sessions, hammer antibiotics, etc. In the end, the doctor said everything was okay now, but the final closure of the canal should be done in DU if everything had been quiet for several weeks . The whole treatment then cost 350 euros. I then presented to the dentist in DU, the case that x-rayed the tooth and came to the conclusion that he would actually do everything again. Cost: $ 1,600 for the root canal treatment plus $ 1,500 for a crown that would then have to be transferred. I can also fly to DE, have the crap repaired, visit my relatives and fly back, not to mention the costs in Thailand (only no relatives of mine live there).

I fought with YOU for a long time, now I prefer to be here than in DE, but honestly, that health care is for a .....

Re: health / illness costs

of Chrissi on Tue Oct 21, 2014, 1:10 pm

kalle03 wrote:Regarding the waiting times for important OPs in the public system, I think there are reasons why half of Scandinavia comes to DE to have an operation / repair.

As a forum member living in Scandinavia, I can unfortunately only agree with you. If there is a problem with my teeth, I'll fly to DE as quickly as possible, if not inevitable I have root canal treatments done in Germany, it costs me around € 700-800 here.
I don't need to go to the doctor here either ... a waste of money.

In fairness it has to be added that it will cost me the flight ... but my parents and I are happy about the short visit that makes up for it ..

Greetings Chrissi
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